Obama-Gore: Clinton Majority Leader; Edwards AG?

In light of yesterday's events I'd like to congratulate Clinton on winning in Indiana.  She has run a vigorous campaign, and I hope she continues in the primary through the rest of the contests.  That being said, I hope the tone of the campaign improves.

I feel that the best possible outcome for the country at this point is the ticket I describe above.  But let's examine VP candidates and see where this leaves us.

Please follow me below the jump..

Hillary Clinton:  

Certainly the first person I think of in this situation as a potential nominee for the VP slot.  She is a tenacious campaigner and brings many positives with her to a potential ticket.

I feel that she may be much more effective in the Majority Leader position in the senate rather than the VP.  As Majority Leader, she will be able to move her vision much more effectively than if she is the VP.  She will not only have a seat at the table, but a major hand in helping to move policy in the senate.  Her campaigning for down ticket races and Democrats new strength in the new congress will put her in a position to make a real difference.  Furthermore, if Obama fails, it leaves her in the best possible situation for 2012 since she will not be part of the losing ticket.  In an Obama administration a Majority Leader Clinton could be a great ally.

John Edwards:

By far his appeal to working class people, and southern credentials make him a very strong choice for the VP.  The drawback is that he's done that already (not sure if he'd want to do it again) and his effectiveness may be limited at the VP slot as well.  His major concern, as I read it, is social equity and bringing back fairness to our country.  In this measure I find the idea of an Attorney General Edwards much more appealing.  He has the experience in law to make a real difference and can spearhead the initiative to bring fairness back to the way laws are applied in the United States.

Al Gore: (we wouldn't be in Iraq if it were his choice)

I feel that he has not only the experience of being Vice President, and running a vigorous and successful (technically) campaign in 2000.  Furthermore, I see that he has come out of his shell politically, and is even a stronger candidate today than he was 8 years ago.  He is a Nobel Laureate and Oscar winner now.

Many of us had hoped Al Gore would run this time around.  I see him as a real uniter in the party.  He is able to cross the divide from the Clinton supporters to Obama.  His stance on Global Warming and ecology has altered the debate during a Republican administration.  Imagine what he would be able to accomplish as vice president.

His name recognition and the fact he is southern will help Obama win the election.  He is truly uniquely suited to the job and brings more to the table than any remaining candidate.  After all he is the only one that could say something to the effect of:
"We wouldn't have been in Iraq if I had been selected in 2000" (and for that matter it would be a way to right the wrong of the 2000 election).

I will cover some of the others quickly:

Jim Webb:

There's been allot of talk about Webb being a good choice for VP.  He certainly moves the correct demographic to Obama.  But I feel that his seat would be almost impossible to fill.  He is a popular senator in a contested state.  This might make for another reason to consider him.  Still, if Webb is VP then whom can we get to replace him.  Remember that we need to hold the congress and the presidency in order to move out agenda forward.  Webb does more for this cause in the senate than he does as VP.

Bill Richardson:

He certainly would move the Hispanic vote in the western states towards Obama.  I think he would be a fine candidate.  That being said, I think there are others that move other demographics more effectively than he could as VP.  I do not feel he would help mend the fence with the Clinton camp as much as Al Gore might, and I see this as crucial.  I would certainly think he has a place in an Obama administration, but I am not sure where.

Dick Gephardt:

I think Gephardt i a fine candidate as well.  He could move people in the mountain west (although Obama already does reasonably well in this area).  He has been a great ally to the party, and I am certain that he would not be forgotten in an Obama administration.

Wes Clark:

I feel Wes Clark is also a very fine choice.  His military background would be a great asset to any ticket.  My reservations stem from his own candidacy.  I do not feel he moves people in enough numbers to justify a VP choice.  However Secretary of Defense does look like a very good spot for someone with his credentials.

Kathleen Sebelius:

Of the people listed I know the least about Kathleen Sebelius.  She does have executive experience in Kansas, and would probably help to put Kansas into play.  The question is does she move enough people to really put it into the democratic column.  Additionally I do find having her as a VP as an appealing possibility, but how to make comparisons with her to Clinton after such a long and divisive campaign.  I feel it might be seen as rubbing salt in the wound and not really healing the party.


Poll
Gore VP, Clinton Majority Leader, Edwards AG; does this sound like a good plan?
Yes
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Votes: 11
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Re: Obama-Gore: Clinton Majority Leader; Edwards A (2.00 / 1)

Gore won't accept veep... been there, done that...

I actually want Dodd for Majority Leader, no offense whatsoever to Clinton....

Veep...?  Eh, I haven't really made up my mind... we need a nominee first.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:13:59 PM EST

Won't take a Dem out of Congress. (none / 0)

Like Hillary as ML, Edwards as AG, no friggin clue who Obama should choose as VP.  Maybe Brian Schweitzer of MT or Tim Kaine of VA?  Not a fan of taking another Dem out of the Senate where every single one counts so much.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:29:23 PM EST

Re: Clinton Majority Leader (none / 0)

Moving Hillary's divisive politics into the Senate as a leader would not be compatible with the new Democratic party direction. She would likely use the position as a power base to undermine President Obama. She couldn't be trusted with the power.  


by ImpeachBushCheney on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:38:22 PM EST

Re: Clinton Majority Leader (none / 0)

You said it better than I did! Bingo!


by ETHIOLIB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:51:55 PM EST
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what are you? (none / 0)

a republican? I'd trust her with power before most of those monkeys in Congress. What new Democratic Party direction are you talking about? The Daily Kos one, the one headed towards to one of McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:55:01 PM EST
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Re: what are you? (none / 0)

At some later date you will be able to recognize the historical significance of the Obama people campaign and the new direction of the Democratic party. I'm not being arrogant but most people don't recognize significant turning points until much later when they are confirmed through a historical record.


by ImpeachBushCheney on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:28:28 PM EST
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Re: what are you? (none / 0)

(Jumping to your most recent comment)

Your rating of 0 on Coyote wasn't deserved, the diary had some content, even if you (and I ) didn't like it. That's an abuse of the troll rating, and it won't help Coyote to change his/her opinions on anything.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:56:35 AM EST
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Hillary would be a disaster ... (none / 0)

..as a Majority leader. Why would anyone think she would make a great Majority Leader when she is seen as a divisive figure coming into the primary and with what she has shown during the campaing?  My prediction, if she becomes the majority leader, there will be a good chance the Republicans would lose majority in a couple of elections.  Actually, she will need a miracle to keep her Senate seat in the next election.


by ETHIOLIB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:44:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary would be a disaster ... (2.00 / 0)

Please. She has a lock on that senate seat. We don't turn out incumbent Dems in our senate races in NY. Especially during primaries and the GOP has no hope in the general.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:58:17 PM EST
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re: VP choices (2.00 / 0)

Hillary - there was a time I'd have been all for this, but after the Rev. Wright controversy and with reports that he's already booked future speaking engagements, 1 in just a couple of weeks, she will not risk defeat al la Wrightboat in the general.

John Edwards - has now stated publicly that he won't endorse either potential nominee - something Obama needs at the very least for someone who shares his ticket.

Al Gore - as others have noted, he's been there, done that, and won the 2000 presidential election. The Supreme Court intervened; you know the rest.

Jim Webb - never going to happen because should he abandon his senate seat, it's very unlikely that another Democrat could repeat what he barely managed in 2006.

Bill Richardson - with all due respect, he's simply not top ticket material.

Dick Gephardt - I don't see how he provides any added weight in the general.

Wes Clark - solidly in Hillary's corner; won't happen.

Kathleen Sebelius - most likely Obama's best choice. Would make a doubly historic presidential ticket, and she could do the most to attract Hillary's base.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:52:04 PM EST

Re: re: VP choices (2.00 / 1)

I don't think Sebelius does anything to to help win over Hillary's base. If anything, I think a lot of HRC supportesr would see this as a slight toward clinton and a clumsy attempt to win them over. The only woman who's going to be acceptable to many HRC supporters is HRC herself.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:57:14 PM EST
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Re: re: VP choices (2.00 / 0)

Hmmm.. something I'll have to think about. Thanks for the feedback.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:02:03 PM EST
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Sebelius does a lot to win over (2.00 / 1)

rural and conservative Dems. some of whom are part of Hillary's base, some of whom are/were part of Obama's base.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:46:13 PM EST
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Re: re: VP choices (2.00 / 1)

I doubt Sebelius. She has no real following, and I think Obama can win this election, but it won't be easy with his race and name, lets be real. Adding a woman to that equation could be disaster, as some may think its just too much to handle. I know you can't say that on TV, but I'm not on TV. I'm having a real dialog. Also, we are not winning Kansas, the home state of Bob Dope and Sam Brownnose.

I'd say the best for him could be Mike Easley, he has been Gov for 8 years and Hillary supporters would absolutely LOVE the guy, he's moderate, tough, and experienced. IF Obama is supposed to make NC close, Easley could perhaps help, as the general will be whiter than the primary, and he's popular all over in that state beyond Democrats. Clark could be a good one, and so could hugh shelton. The best I think is former Nevada governor Bob Miller. He has tons of experience, is of middle age, and served in the army and air force reserves. We can actually win Nevada, and help out in the west.

Edwards was a horrid running mate for Kerry. He comes off too much as a light weight, and looks to many like a "sissy". Gore's been there done that. However, Gephardt could be great


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:50:51 PM EST
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Edwards not a good AG fit (none / 0)

He has zero prosecutorial experience. Much better to have him in another cabinet post. Labor?


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:55:34 PM EST

All he needs to know is how to smell a rat (none / 0)

... and kick all of those loyalists out!

Competency first!

(yes, this is repeating an Obama line, that says that you can get enough experts any day... you need something else at the top)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:47:18 PM EST
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Re: All he needs to know is how to smell a rat (none / 0)

I just can't see giving the AG slot to someone who's never even prosecuted a speeding ticket. A civil trial lawyer isn't a good fit for this job.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM EST
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best idea yet (2.00 / 1)

because labor and working people is his constituency. Maybe solicitor general. he can sure as hell argue cases


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:52:19 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

A power hungry, polarizing, divisive person as Senate Leader.  Gosh, there's a dandy idea.


by rf7777 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:04:44 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 1)

Except that HIllary has not been a polarizing figure in the senate. She's well respected by many on the other side of the aisle and was been praised by them for working with her.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:07:16 PM EST
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RYes, Hillary has been praised... (none / 0)

..by both sides, like McCain and Liberman.  lol


by ETHIOLIB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:57:21 PM EST
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for a "polarizing" senator, (2.00 / 1)

thats pretty fucking good


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:22:42 PM EST
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she has far more real respect (none / 0)

on both sides of the isle than Barack Obama. Republicans there even respect her along with most Democrats. Those only reason some senate Dems endorsed Obama was to help with black voters in their states, jealousy, or to get headlines. Ted Kennedy knows full well he's bullshitting, as Obama is no JFK, he just wants to be relevant again, especially since Mary Jo can't endorse. Kerry is jealous of the Clintons, and regrets not listening to Bill on gay marriage, and wants to get re-elected this year. When he's president, no one will listen to him at all. They'll treat him as the political neophyte he is, and he'll be about as effective as Jimmy Carter


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:34:37 PM EST
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With Pelosi as Tip O'neal (none / 0)

surely you jest.

If Obama is half the man that Carter was, I'll be a very happy camper.

BRING BACK THE M3!!!


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:48:37 PM EST
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Re: With Pelosi as Tip O'neal (none / 0)

He better be ten times the presiden though. Carter's a great man, but as president, close to an abject failure.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:55:24 PM EST
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Carter wasn't nearly as much of a failure as some (none / 0)

I might name.

At least he didn't lie to us about inflation statistics. Everyone in my memory of presidents has (yes, that does include Bill Clinton).

He broke stagflation, knowing that would cost him the presidency.

In terms of foreign policy, he lived his presidency with honor and idealism (perhaps not the qualities I'd have asked for in a president, indeed).


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:59:59 PM EST
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he had good intentions (none / 0)

but the road to hell, social, economically and politically is paved with honesty and good intentions. Carter's character did not translate into wins and success. He took inflation on too hard, and if he had done it softer, the recession woudln't have been as bad, and woudln't have handed the White House to Reagan. He did not break stagflation in any way. It ended because once you get to the bottom, there is no way to go but up.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:02:30 PM EST
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your ideas are not backed up by research (none / 0)

... or by the people who get to give advice to Wall Street.

Reagan only got a good economy because of what Carter did. Likewise, Clinton inherited a recovering economy (which, give him credit, he kept running fine).

Bush has been the only person to really make his own economy policy since... about Carter, actually. Stupid "give everyone houses" idea...


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:09:00 PM EST
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Bill Clinton did not inherit a recovering economy (none / 0)

he inherited huge deficits, high unemployment, as was barely moving up, only on a dead cat bounce. He made the economy into normal growth again, even Greenspan endorsed his economic plan for those reasons, that he knew it would take Clinton to fix the economy.

Not very many economists laud Jimmy Carter. Carter was a failure. He was not in office when the inflation and malaise ended. He gets no credit. I dont' credit Reagan either. I credit the fact that when you get to the bottom, there is only up.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:12:25 PM EST
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In fact, most economicists (sp. very bad) (none / 0)

laud Volkher as the best federal reserve chairman. he could only have done what he did with carter's support.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-comm erce/2006/9/29/grading-the-fed-chairman. html

Suffice it to say that Greenspan's prestige has tanked.

(yay! i found a source -- my sources tend to come from class notes. sorry...)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:29:51 PM EST
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lets hope that (none / 0)

because Obama and Carter and Dubya all had the same experience when assuming the White House, that of 4-5 years. Carter took office in trying times and failed. Obama has it much worse than Carter when he takes it next year. He not only has inflation, but world crises. It all depends if he can handle it. This is why experience mattered to me. I hope he can


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:00:35 PM EST
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Yes, indeed. (none / 0)

In contrast with FDR, Obama's powder is already wet.

It's gonna be trying times, and though he has the opportunity to be a great president, it is not a "sure thing" by any stretch of the imagination.

I am glad to see that he is more of a Realist than Carter.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:10:20 PM EST
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you forgot FDR's 7 years as Asst. Navy Sec. (none / 0)

which damn well counts for experience. He was in a cabinet at that during World War I. You add his 4 years as gov, and you have 11 years. Elected experience is not the only experience, get it in your head.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:13:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

*blink* wrong poster, wrong subject (none / 0)

I hope...

I was talking strictly in economic terms. Bernake has used up most of our ammunition that could have been used to help the economy. In contrast, Hoover was so convinced that everything would just get better, that FDR had a ton more leverage than Obama will have.

If it's my fault that this conversation has gone loopy, here are my most humble apologies.

(FDR was in that during WWI? the things I miss in history class ;-)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:25:02 PM EST
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Gore's already been VP (none / 0)

and I doubt he wants to again. He is not Jerry Ford. Him endorsing Obama would possibly hurt him with Clinton voters, who liked him initially, and see him as a sell out. I do think we need a white male as VP because Obama's already gonna have a hard time, the last thing we need is to compound it, as he's gonna be a lot of change for people to accept, and there's only so much he will accept. Thats why I don't see Hillary on the VP spot. Same for Richardson. But I think he should just offer it, not really meaning it, but do it so no one can say they didn't make up. Sebelius for that reason would be horrible because she also lacks charisma of any sort, and Kansas is not going into play, the home state of Bob Dole and Sam Brownnose. Its a delusion to think that. She only got elected because she's the daughter of a politician there. He is going to get slaughtered there when the indies and GOPers who vastly outnumber Dem caucus goers cast their votes against Obama, and yes in part due to race. He only won the caucus there because hillary didn't show up, and the people who went there figured the Clintons are so disliked in that state why not someone new. With respect to Webb, replacing him would be hard, and I don't know if the Gov appoints the person, or a special election happens.

Wes Clarke may be a good idea in terms of military experience. Also, the moderate white Clinton voters may like him.  

Hillary will not be majority leader. She is not Bob Dole, and I dont' wanna see her become that. You can get more done when you're not majority leader, as they have busy schedules.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:44:50 PM EST

very funny! (2.00 / 0)

Gore as Obamas VP?  Why would gore do that and play second fiddle to Obama? Gore has too much experience to want to do that, and if anything, Obama should be Gore's VP.


by 4justice on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:53:28 PM EST

Edwards for SOLICITOR general! (none / 0)

I'd say solicitor general, not attorney general, because attorney general would be an impossible confirmation, and he hasn't any prosecuting experience. But Solicitor Generals argue cases for on behalf of the White House to the Supreme Court. As we have seen, he is amazing at arguing cases. He has wno over 50 million in verdicts, and has done it also for working people. Such a skill would be a huge asset against this right wing court.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:57:42 PM EST

Obama/Clark or Gore/Obama (none / 0)

Wesley Clark is a general and would be of obvious help to Obama, beefing up his foreign policy credentials and puting Arkansas in play. Clark is also a Clinton guy.

But, the sad fact it that Obama is limping to the finish line and couldn't have won if FL and MI had counted, so he looks very weak.

If Obama looks any weaker than he does now then he may not be the nominee. It might be Gore and Obama would be the VP.

I'm assuming that Clinton doesn't want the VP spot. If she does and doesn't get it then you can stick a fork in Obama, because he's done. He probably won't win in November anyway. His cruel race-bating charges against the former president and first lady will backfire.


by mmorang on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:03:36 PM EST

because yuou believe that Clinton (none / 0)

would stab him in the back?

How... absurd. Much easier for her to merely withhold support and try to win in 2012


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:25:57 PM EST
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I don't believe she would stab him in the back (2.00 / 0)

His race-bating strategy is there for all to see and evaluate.

Many of her supporters, as well as Independents and Republicans, saw how the Clinton's were treated.

Just think, president Clinton starts a foundation which provided Free medicine to Millions of blacks in Africa. Both Clinton's have a life long commitment to minorities and African Americans in particular and have always supported civil rights. Obama and company turn around and play the race-bating card on them and turn the black community against them.

Neither Clinton has said anything remotely racists yet many blacks believe they did. That fact is not lost even among old Clinton haters who are Republicans. Obama has also trashed and LIED about Bill Clinton's record falsely conflating it with George Bush.

So, yes, many people who once liked Obama have come to view him in a different light and will not support him.

He looks like the weakest candidate we could have come up with and the polls in the swing states and former Democratic states look bad for him.


by mmorang on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:50:35 PM EST
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I haven't seen race baiting... (none / 0)

so much as a desire to capitalize on poor wording.

Oh, and Obama's idea of being the negative politician "I am what you aren't"

http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:54:59 PM EST
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Re: I haven't seen race baiting... (none / 0)

There wasn't one poorly chosen word from Clinton. Obama chose to claim that the Clinton's were saying racists things so he could win all the black votes. Its that simple. He chose to insite racial predudice for his own political gain and now he can be the first black Democratic nominee to lose big in the general election because he split the party.


by mmorang on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:12:22 PM EST
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Did you read that link I sent you... (none / 0)

it's not from an obama supporter, but he does express himself well.

I'd say that every time Clinton says that Obama has a problem with white working class folks, she makes it about race. That's not the same as being racist, mind.  But it is still offensive, particularly when he won Maine and Idaho (among other extremely white states).


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:17:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Discussing how a candidate does with different (2.00 / 1)

demographic groups is not racist or out of bounds in any way.

Implying that the Clinton's are racists or imploying racist tactics is not a way to treat people who have been in your corner for decades. It sends a bad message to other people who might have wanted to stand with you.

Why should anyone stand with people who turn their backs on you, not because of your record, but despite your record.

I will not forget the race-bating strategy Obama has used. Others can support a race-bater, its a free country.


by mmorang on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When obama wins the 'white working class' (none / 0)

everywhere but appalachia and clinton country (err... that's ny and arkansas), and then suddenly people start saying that he has a white working class problem... this just isn't making much sense.

not that that is clinton's problem, so much as a media problem... mostly. clinton's been supporting it, though.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:28:32 AM EST
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